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Dr. Dobb's Journal interviews Jef Raskin (1986)

They discuss interface design and Raskin's hatred of the mouse.

Today he is the founder of Information Appliance of Menlo Park, California, which currently offers a product called SwyftCard for the Apple Ile and IIc. DDJ: That brings to mind Apple’s ad that boasts of the minute amount of documentation needed to learn the Mac compared to an IBM computer. Raskin: Most people who do a lot of heavy telecommunications end up having two computers because, if you want to receive messages at an arbitrary time, you have to leave your telecom package up.

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