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Svelte 5 and the Future of Frameworks: A Chat with Rich Harris

After months of anticipation, debate, and even a bit of apprehension, Svelte 5 arrived earlier this year. Frederick O’Brien caught up with its creator, Rich Harris, to talk about the path that brought him and his team here and what lies ahead.

The number of times I’ve had to open DevTools to remove the disabled attribute from a button so that I can submit a form, or been unclear on whether a payment went through or not.” This certainly meshes with my experience and, doubtless, countless others. Between enshittification, manipulative algorithms, and the seemingly endless influx of AI-generated slop, it’s hard to shake the feeling that the web is becoming increasingly decadent and depraved. There are too many things that you need to learn in order to build a full stack application today using JavaScript.” Although Svelte has been ticking along happily for years, the release of version 5 has felt like a new lease of life for the ecosystem around it.

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